Monday, December 31, 2007

Gender Identity

So, recently some people have linked to me in blog posts while under the impression that i was female-identified... which has led me to try to work out why...

I tend to assume that it's obvious to people that i'm (physically) male, because, well, if you can see and/or hear me "in the flesh" then it is obvious; i'm about 5'11", with a body consisting almost entirely of straight lines and right angles, no breasts, big feet, a bass voice (albeit one that goes up or down a couple of octaves somewhat randomly, but still a clearly male-sounding voice), and prominent facial hair. (I can't find a decent picture of myself to put here, but you can see me in the photos on this post; i'm the one with long dark hair and a beard, in the general style of Aragorn or Faramir in the Lord of the Rings films, or a typical 16th/17th century English Catholic style, such as Guy Fawkes or King Charles I.)

I think my username is part of the reason for the confusion; for those not familiar with the Hindu deity Shiva (who i identify with partly because ze is both "male" and "androgynous" depending on context), a name whose first syllable sounds like the pronoun "she" and which ends in the traditionally-feminine (in European languages) -a probably defaults to female. Also, there are the ecofeminist writer Vandana Shiva (who was also a partial inspiration for the name choice) and the DC Comics character Lady Shiva, who are female (as well as various other people and things with the name Shiva). While i've been mistaken for a woman on a couple of forums where i have used variants of the name Shiva, in most of the places where i've used other usernames (including, oddly, variants of Nataraja, which is one of the epithets of Shiva, and has the same "feminine" ending) i've been assumed to be male long before posting any personal information.

Another possible reason is because the vast majority of outspoken autistic bloggers out there seem to be female (eg. Ballastexistenz, Andrea, Ettina, Bev, ABFH, chaoticidealism, lastcrazyhorn, and plenty of others - Joel and Larry are about the only exceptions i can think of) - which is kind of strange, because the usually-quoted statistics say that autism is much more likely to occur in males than in females. I'm not quite sure what sociological explanation there could be for the predominance of autistic women over autistic men in the blogosphere...

Also i kind of suspect that, because i blog about feminism, i must be female, in some people's minds, because no man could possibly want to talk or write about feminism [/sarcasm]...

The ironic thing is that being thought of as "male" is just as odd to me as being thought of as "female". I don't consider myself to have any sort of "internal" gender identity whatsoever - it always feels like "gender" is simply not a valid category in which to place myself. When i see "gender" as a tick-box category on a form, i feel similarly to if, on a form asking for details of a vehicle, it asked for "miles per gallon" when my vehicle was powered by something completely different (and that can't be measured in gallons), like say solar electricity - i just don't really consider myself to belong to the category of beings that have gender.

I spent quite a few years thinking (on the rare occasions that i thought about gender at all) that "gender identity" was wholly socialised, that the whole concept of identifying as a "man" or a "woman" was something "put into" people by their upbringing and the society around them. Of course, that position led me to be confused about why (the vast majority of) other people seemed to "swallow" it so easily, and i was able to "see through" it, but i filed that in my mind with all the other social conventions that i was confused about being the only person to "see through" (which, of course, my discovry of autism helped explain massively). It fit, however, with the general socialist and feminist worldview which i was developing at that time, and i met a lot of people in those movements at uni who believed roughly the same thing.

Of course, there was one big thing that that belief system completely failed to explain or understand, and that was the existence of trans people. It was a friend's coming out as a trans woman, and the resulting conversations about gender and identity between me and her (which, along with a few other things that happened around the same time, led to it becoming a far, far deeper and more important friendship, and to date my longest-running truly close friendship), which led to me realising that my position was not in fact logical, and that other people - at the very least the subset of trans people who know they are trans from early childhood, and potentially up to and including the vast majority of the population - did have an "internal" gender identity, even if i didn't.

Of course, as well as my former position (no one has "real" gender identity, it's all socially constructed), it's also common to encounter the opposite extreme position (everyone has an internal, binary gender identity, and anyone who thinks ze doesn't is deluded or hasn't self-examined enough). While the former position denies the reality of trans people, the latter position denies the reality of people like me. The minimum real reality seems to me to be that at least some people do have an "innate" or "internal" gender identity, and at least some people don't. What's uncertain to me is the proportion of those categories to each other: some would accept the existence of people like me who don't believe they have an innate gender identity, but claim that we are a small minority, while others would argue that only a small number have "truly" innate gender identity, while perhaps the majority only think they do because of socialisation. I personally suspect that a lot of the socialist-feminists who don't believe that anyone has innate gender identity are actually themselves "neutrals" like me, but haven't encountered (or are blinded by ideology to) the contradictions in believing that everyone is like them/us...

The question of what to label myself in terms of gender identity is an odd one. I'm clearly not trans (although i am an ally), or intersex (as i am, as far as i know, a fully physically "normal" male in terms of genitalia etc). I sometimes use the label "genderqueer" (more so online than in meatspace), but i'm never quite sure exactly what it means to the people i use it in conversation with (as opposed to what it means to me), as it seems to be such an essentially contested term. Then again, arguably it's one of the key things in queer theory that terms to describe identity are necessarily essentially contested, because people have the right to define their own identities, and thus terms can be defined to mean whatever the definer wants them to mean (although, that's possibly straying a bit too far into postmodernism/relativism for me, as well as reminding me a bit of Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty - i think, perhaps speaking from my science-geek side here, that it's important for terms to have a generally understood meaning, and thus accurate uses and inaccurate uses that can be called as inaccurate). Wikipedia has a decent overview of definitions (albeit with a bit of elision between "genderqueer" and "transgender"), and some interesting links.

There's also some good discussion of the term "genderqueer" and gender identity here and here - i particularly like Dw3t-Hthr's concept of "geek" as a gender - something that i strongly suspect a whole lot of gender-variant autistic people would embrace wholeheartedly if it became well-known or popular...

I also strongly suspect that gender variance (including transgender/transsexuality, androgyny, and probably most other variants of genderqueer-ness) is a lot commoner among autistic (or otherwise neurodiverse) people than among the general population. The subject comes up fairly regularly on autism/neurodiversity discussion forums - a quick search of Wrong Planet revealed these notable examples (note that the second one is about atypical perception of autistic people's gender by others), a larger percentage of posters on autism forums openly identify as trans or intersex, by my estimation, than the general population percentage, and my aforementioned transwoman friend (who does read this blog... don't you? It would be nice to get a comment now and again ;) ) knows at least one other "transwoman" who she strongly suspects both of being on the spectrum and of being actually androgyne/"neutral" rather than female in gender identity.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that all autistic people are non-normatively gendered, but i do believe that there is probably some sort of link between autism and atypical gender identity. My suspicion is that "group identities" in general (such as ethnicity, class identity, national identity, etc) are less logical and less necessary to autistic people than they are to neurotypical people, and (the social component of) gender identity would be included in that - so, if 2 people both lacked innate gender identity, and one was autistic but the other NT, the autistic person would probably be the more likely to identify as androgynous/agendered/genderqueer, whereas the NT might well still think ze had an innate gender identity due to hir gendered socialisation. (Autistic children are also much more likely to resist gendered socialisation... or, indeed, any kind of socialisation at all ;) )

I think that, possibly, the part of the brain in which gender identity is located (if a single such part exists) might be one of the parts of the brain which is significantly physically different in autistic people, and that it might be linked to issues to do with self-image and proprioception (the Oliver Sacks anecdote about halfway down the Wikipedia article is really interesting, as is the assertion that "Proprioception is permanently impaired in patients who suffer from joint hypermobility or Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome" - as the latter have correlative, if not yet proven genetic, links to both autism and gender variance (links between neurodiversity and hypermobility to be the subject of a forthcoming post)...

Trans people, especially those who are "primary" (aware of their transsexuality from early childhood) report proprioception problems where their "body map" is that of a person of their desired physical sex rather than the physical sex they were born with. Depending on the way that correlation goes, it seems kind of logical to me that someone with an overall impairment of proprioception might not have a gender identity in body-identification term, and/or might lack identification with their body altogether. (I have great trouble understanding why body image - things like body shape, weight, facial features, etc - seems to be of such great importance to the majority of people - another thing which i used to believe was entirely a social construct of Western capitalist "civilisation", but which i now (tentatively) understand to have at least some innate component to it.)

There might also be differences in the parts of the brain that are affected by sex hormones (oestrogen, testosterone, etc) in autistic people. A fairly large number of autistic people (certainly a greater percentage than of non-autistic people) are asexual (which is often accompanied by a lack of gender identity, although to what extent that's due to the conflation of gender and sexuality in a heteronormative society is uncertain), and others (including myself) develop conscious sexuality unusually late in life, and are thus asexual for a considerable period during which the majority of their age peers are some sort of sexual. The vast majority (or so it seems) of autistic women i know online (I don't really know any offline) are either lesbian or asexual. "Unusual" forms of sexuality (eg. dislike of normative sex acts and preference for non-normative sex acts, eg. those not involving penetration - see here) are also seemingly commoner among autistic people. Sex hormone levels might possibly even differ, if autism is (as i suspect it to at least sometimes be) part of a wider genetic syndrome affecting more than just neurology - a lot of autistic people seem to have weaker expression of secondary (ie, acquired at puberty or later) sexual dimorphic characteristics than non-autistic people (for example, i am much less hairy and much less muscular than my brother, who is 7 years younger than me, despite photos of us at equivalent pre-puberty ages being hard to tell apart). All these are things that i am not aware of ever having been investigated, except on an informal/anecdotal basis in autism forums...

So, yeah, i dunno. I'd love to see if there ever has been a formal study on gender identity in autistic (or otherwise neurodiverse) people. And i'm still not sure whether i count as "queer", either. A straw poll on how many readers of this blog thought i was female-IDed would also be... amusing... ;) But anyway, as this is almost certainly my last post of 2007, a happy and fruitful new year to all the awesome bloggers out there. The world needs people who keep on questioning all this stuff...

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think that strength of gender identity (like strength of sexual desire/attraction) runs on a spectrum, from none to highly gendered. The distribution of this would be interesting to find out, although the details of this can be hard to work out.

AnneC said...

Hi there...hopefully you don't mind me commenting...I've been reading your blog for a while now (actually had it bookmarked ages ago, I don't remember why). And I can actually relate to very much of what you have written in this post, albeit from the "other" morphological perspective (since I'm physically female).

I had it figured out by age 8 or so (even wrote it in a journal) that I felt like "neither girl nor boy", and I also went through a long period of thinking that sex/gender roles were entirely social constructs. It was only through reading about transfolks and getting to know a few such persons online that I started to realize that some people did have a very strong, probably "hardwired" gender identification. I just knew I wasn't one of those people myself!

It does seem as if autistics have a greater tendency to not fall easily into expected binary gender-categories in terms of behavior and predilection, however, I think that's sort of an all-encompassing thing -- e.g., we probably don't fit into expected categories in many ways, and gender is just one of those.

I am also intrigued by the concept you bring up of "'geek' as gender", since, well, pretty much all the people I'm friendly with now are self-identified geeks, and a large percentage of these folks are something other than hetero-normative in terms of their social behavior, sexual identification, and approach to relationships.

Personally I tend to see gender as a fairly insignificant variable when getting to know people, though I do also respect that for some, their gender identification is a substantial contributor to their sense of self -- e.g., if someone is trans, I fully acknowledge that there is some kind of "mapping" in their brain that would make the "other" physically-gendered body more appropriate for them. But when it comes to whether I find someone attractive, or what I think about them in general, gender isn't one of the first things that comes to mind at all. I'm in a long-term relationship with a (genotypic and phenotypic) male, so outwardly it looks like a "regular heterosexual pairing", but neither of us really feels exactly "gender-normative". We've joked that I'm sort of like a little old man (since I can be, well, a bit curmudgeonly at times), and he's sort of like a little old lady (likes cooking large meals, enjoys quaint romantic comedies, knows how to embroider), despite what we look like on the outside.

Incidentally, I thought maybe you were female-identified for a very short while (possibly based on someone else referring to you as "she"), but upon further reading I took you to be a physical male with feminist leanings and a basically androgynous personality, which seems to be pretty close to the truth based on this most recent entry.

Julaybib said...

*** I don't consider myself to have any sort of "internal" gender identity whatsoever ***

But surely, if you have a socially constructed view of gender, you would reject any kind of cognitivism that locates gender as being 'inside' you?

Not connected to the above statement/question, but generally reflecting on your post, you may find this interesting:

Zerilli, L. (1998) Doing Without Knowing: Feminism's Politics of the Ordinary, POLITICAL REVIEW, 26(4) pp.435-58

lilwatchergirl said...

Oh, fascinating post. I've been reading and re-reading it for longer than my limited attention span EVER lets me focus on a single post.

as is the assertion that "Proprioception is permanently impaired in patients who suffer from joint hypermobility or Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome" - as the latter have correlative, if not yet proven genetic, links to both autism and gender variance (links between neurodiversity and hypermobility to be the subject of a forthcoming post)...

Oh, write it, write it! I'm very keen to hear more about this. Most people are put into one 'camp' or other early in life - doctors/ed psychs etc either spot the hypermobility OR the neurodiversity, and then the other is discounted - even when it's very clearly there. I was lucky (heh, in some ways) to be identified late in life as dyspraxic (although I consider myself neurodiverse in more ways than that label suggests), and even later as Ehlers-Danlos, so that a whole picture is building up. Not everyone gets to realise that they are both, and then the links get ignored. As far as I can see. My consultant thinks dyspraxia is just another 'symptom' of EDS. Some physios I've met think hypermobility is just another 'aspect' of dyspraxia. Some proper genetic/neurological type research would be much more useful and interesting. My feeling is that the two are very closely connected. This is why I've really appreciated being able to put the final (maybe) piece of the puzzle of my life into place this year with the EDS+dyspraxia equation. So much more about my thinking and being makes sense now. Oh, and I have the world's worst proprioception. One day soon it is actually going to kill me, I'm quite certain.

But the point of this post was gender, wasn't it... I feel that I don't have as well-defined a gender identity as some people. I'm happy with my 'androgynous female' identity. Coming out, which I only did quite recently (four years ago or so), has been a part of the expression of that identity, for me. And I can see how much of that identity could be socially constructed (I'm thinking Judith Butler and the social construction of sex as well as gender here, although I don't fully understand her points, but that's the kind of thing I feel in relation to my gender identity). But I wonder how much of my feeling of 'difference' or 'androgyny' and other avoidances of gender/sexuality labels is related to my neurodiversity. I don't even identify as lesbian, since that label really doesn't fit me (to the point where it's painful when someone calls me that). I'm just me and my life.

Oh dear, this is becoming a rather long comment. Sorry. You made me think. Cheers for that. :)

Katrin said...

I am amazed at this post. I have never read anything about this anywhere, that anyone else thinks this way, other than myself.

I have never seen any need or reason, though others seem to insist there is, for identifying as female or male or anything else. When people ask me, I usually, if I think it won't totally blow their minds and cause them to start being mean or intrusive to me, say "neutral". If people ask me if I'm gay, straight or otherwise, I usually say "I'm nothing." (which no one I have ever talked to seems capable of fathoming and if they don't argue with me on it, they seem to get the 'knowing smile' of, well someday you will, and I really think that, no I won't, I don't have any desire to) Because none of that means anything to me, it has never made sense and 'nothing' or 'neutral' seems to best describe, if I have to at all. I have never understood, why I have to be a specific gender, or actually any gender at all.

And yes, I'm autistic. And on my birth certificate I'm labeled as "female"

shiva said...

Wow, probably the quickest and most enthusiastic responses i've had to a post yet...

Anonymous - i agree with you on the spectrum thing... something i thought i had put in somewhere, but on re-reading didn't.

AnneC - i think i might have commented on your blog once, maybe it was linked to from someone else's... i dunno. Anyway, looks like an interesting one, i'll have to read it more regularly. :)

Yes, from reading my posts which have more autobiographical content it's easy enough to work out my physical gender and my sexuality - but i don't think Kay or LCH had read those posts when they linked to me.

As for "geek" as a gender, it's not me you have to tank for that, it's Dw3t-Hthr, here. I think you and Dw3t-Hthr probably have a lot in common...

Julaybib - if you look at paragraphs 7 to 9 of my post, i'm essentially saying that i, like AnneC, used to have that socially constructed view of gender, and thus reject that cognitivism, but that my view is now that gender is partly/sometimes socially constructed and partly/sometimes "internal" - because my former view did not accept or comprehend the lived reality of transsexual people...

lilwatchergirl - i've tried to read Butler, but found her almost completely incomprehensible. Same with Foucault. I think i don't get on well with certain postmodernist/post-structuralist writing styles...

The post on neurodiversity and hypermobility will be among the next few - probably not the next one, but expect it some time in January...

Katrin - you seem to be saying that you are asexual as well as genderqueer, if i'm reading your comment right. I'm genderqueer, but definitely not asexual - i have a very well-defined sexuality, and one that is directed exclusively towards one physical sex (although often towards the less gender-normative individuals of that physical sex). There are loads of asexual autistic people out there, tho, and the two things do often accompany each other - but, just as it's possible to lack gender but still have sexuality, it's possible to lack sexuality but still have gender (i know of a few asexual transwomen).

If you look on WrongPlanet or any of several other autism forums, you will find loads of discussions of asexuality - "nothing" seems to be a common self-descriptor for young asexual autistics...

Val said...

I'm also female, but I've been horny for nearly as long as I can remember. :) I like men, but I've wondered off and on all through my life if I shouldn't have been a man as well. I've had penis and phallic filled dreams my entire life.

I didn't go along with the teenage years of angsty boy hunting, but that was mostly because I wasn't interested in boys, I was interested in men. :)

BTW, you're very hot looking in that picture.

Val said...

When I say penis dreams, they've been dreams where I was the one with the penis . . .

Ettina said...

I am asexual - though from what I've read, I'm still young enough that I could develop a sexuality sometime (I hope not).
I am physically female, and I'm pretty sure my gender identity is female. I feel like my body is right for me and a male body would be wrong, but when it comes to 'mental gender identity' I don't relate at all. NT women and men are both foreign to me, and autistics don't generally strike me as gendered in that way. Incidentally, I perceive certain men as being kind of like women inside, but not the opposite.

shiva said...

Val - hot? really? That's bizarre to me for 2 reasons, firstly because i find it almost impossible to imagine anyone fancying me, secondly because i find it impossible to find any male body attractive, or even to judge male attractiveness. I really have no idea even what the criteria are...

(also, dammit, why is it always the one who lives in a different continent? ;) )

Also, i've had half-asleep fantasies about being penetrated from the front, despite not having an orifice there. Was slightly bemused by that, but didn't really relate it to gender identity stuff...

Ettina - i was asexual until i was about 15/16. I have known other autistic people who were asexual until their mid 20s, and one person i know (who while probably not autistic, probably isn't neurotypical either) comes from a family in which almost all the men are asexual until around 30 (which seems extreme even to me).

When i was asexual i definitely didn't want to develop a sexuality, and developing one made me feel very disturbingly like i was intellectually regressing (i still think i probably had higher intellectual capacity at 12-15 than i do now). I'm not sure if i would want to go back to being asexual, or not... being asexual is definitely better than having a sexuality and no one to express it with, but having a sexuality and someone to express it with is utterly amazing, IMO (I've only had that privilege for a very brief 3 months of my life, tho)...

Lilwatchergirl - just re-read your comment. I'd be quite interested in why, as a woman who primarily fancies women, you don't feel that the label "lesbian" fits you...

lilwatchergirl said...

Lilwatchergirl - just re-read your comment. I'd be quite interested in why, as a woman who primarily fancies women, you don't feel that the label "lesbian" fits you...

If I had a simple answer to that, life would be easier - although probably very dull indeed...

I'm still working out all sorts of identity-related questions. That would be one of them. I used to go by the label 'bisexual', but that doesn't fit either. Mostly, I just don't fit labels. They make me feel physically unwell. But there's more to it than that. One day I'll have it all figured out. And then I can die happy. :)

Elizabeth McClung said...

Interesting because honestly I believe I did post about sexist assumptive austic researchers which are currently holding the fore about five or six months ago (gosh, I hope this wasn't one of the post I did all the research for but was too exhausted to write - I think I posted it).

The basis is that I was irked because one researcher, who seemed to become like the Michael Bailey for Autism Spectrum Disorder was saying that ASD was the biological manisfestation of the "super-male" mind - that someone with ASD was BY NATURE not only male brained but had all the traits which make males different than females in the extreme. I think they had basically stolen the research on womb hormone washes done regarding trans people and thoerized it for ASD.

Of course, what irked me, was that they included all females in this as well - that they were "mentally not just males but had super-male minds" - which is blather because research shows that not only is there a vast spectrum in ASD including people who are acutely empathetic but that there are clusters of gender traits which differ (in GENERAL) from male to female ASD like the extreme emphathy/identity of animals in females with ASD.

I bring this up so that you might find this researcher and knock them down. Obviously from my brain view point the identity you talk about is rather alien and so when you would earlier talk about all gender identity as gender construct it not only struck me as illogical (ooooh, how spock of me!) but I was having an emotional reaction which was "How dare he/she say that, which implies that my feelings about myself are invalid." Which likely was more about my baggage. Just saying the reaction. Obviously, from the post there are people out there who are saying "Yes, you get me." So I think that identifying exactly what that identity is would be useful for those of us who "don't get it." I do have a hard time, simply from observation and cross reading, to accept that a majority of people in the western world don't have a gender identity since I can go into any elementary school and show the strong, strong resistence to that idea from say (the majority of), 7 year olds.

Two years ago, brain science magazine published an article about gender identity, that it is a chromosome switch (part of the chromosome code) and when altered in womb, changes gender identity in many animals. Whether they even tried for a 'neutral' setting is not stated. I also wonder if in books like Biological Exuberance, which notate the differences of gender identity in animals, 'neutral' appears in mammals (as I know it does in some sea creatures, includes ones that clone themselves).

I guess the problem is that as a person who has fought for years and decades the known and suspected influence socially on body identity and expectation (for instance anorexia, female body suppliness, what one is 'supposed' to be good at, or 'supposed' to be interested in) I find the voice of Shiva highly questionable, since it seems to stand outside of those influences, that it cannot concieve of those societal pressures shaping identity or assumes that only those pressures shape identity. Where was this voice that it was so able to avoid any impact? And why then, is the answer to the voice of Shiva's percieved gender or genderqueer sought in the most transitory of definitions: the usuage only within a particular time and cultural understanding?

I am not trying to attack, but be open to saying, what you are saying about your identity, I will accept, what you are saying about my or the general public, I do not believe I can not accept and I am not yet familiar with how you came to free yourself from the society in order to have the identity which you say in inherent in you?

shiva said...

Elizabeth: I have to confess to not fully understanding your last 2 paragraphs, but i'm going to attempt a partial reply.

I don't necessarily think that "the majority" of people don't have a gender identity; i do suspect, however, that there are a LOT of people who have never really thought about gender identity, and accepted their "own" purely because society has them as such a binary, without really stopping to question it. Some of those people may, in fact, be genderqueer or gender-neutral, without ever realising it - I think, if it were not for me being "Other" in another way (ie autistic) as well, i might have been in that category - and, of course, if i had never met my transwoman friend i would never have realised that anyone had an "innate" gender identity.

I encounter that latter attitude very, very frequently in circles of socialists, postmodernists and some categories of feminists, both online and offline - it was, for example, virtually the orthodoxy in the "left-wing" circles at my uni, and my trans friend's coming out caused major confusion in a lot of people in those circles (which both she and i were semi-prominent, but still kind of "fringe" in), some people flat out refusing to understand and interpreting her decision to transition as purely the result of some sort of societal brainwashing. At least two of those people were very explicit in extrapolating their own lack of an "innate" gender identity to humanity in general - ie, deducing from their own experiences that "gender identity" was merely a social construct for everyone; those people were otherwise neurotypical, and i think a lot of neurotypical people have the whole "I am /have X, all the people i know well seem to be/have X, therefore everyone must be/have X, and if they deny it, they are in denial about themselves" attitude.

(This of course can work both ways, either "Everyone has a binary gender identity, and are in denial if they claim otherwise", or "No one has an innate gender identity, and they are in denial if they claim otherwise" - both of which are equally harmful. The former tends to get thrown at genderqueer people from certain trans people, and the latter vice versa, which tends to be the basis of conflicts between trans and genderqueer communities, where such exist.)

I also hope i made it clear enough that the view that "no one has innate gender identity" is my former view, not my present view (but it does, in my observation, seem to be a lot of people's present view, and part of the purpose of this post was to try to correct that)...

shiva said...

Also: as far as observation of 7 year olds goes, I have absolutely no idea, since at that age i had absolutely no interest in or desire to interact with other children, and had practically no socialisation of any kind, for the simple reason that i resisted every attempt to socialise me into anything. I didn't have any meaningful peer-age-group relationships at all until after puberty (12/13 or so) - i was quite literally "a child raised by books", in the sense of "raised by wolves", and probably not much more alien to humanity in general than a child literally raised by wolves. (I may exaggerate slightly, but i suspect that many autistic people, especially undiagnosed-as-kids autistic people whose parents had no idea what was "wrong" with them, have similar experiences. Need to post about that, anyway...)

So yeah, i missed out entirely on observation of childhood gender roles. Even in adolescence when i was interacting with and wanting to be accepted by others of my own age, i was treated as "not a boy" in some indiscernible way, even if not as a "girl". If i had had "normal" childhood socialisation, but still lacked an innate gender identity, i think it's likely (especially as i'm heterosexual) that i would have been "one of the boys" without ever questioning it.

I completely agree with you on the "super-male mind" theory being utter bollocks. If that was the case, then there surely would be no autistic women, because they would all be trans men... which Amanda, Bev, Ettina, ABFH, Andrea, AnneC, Jane Meyerding, etc etc etc clearly aren't, even if they don't 100% accept a traditional "female" identity...